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Discussion in 'Trade' started by drunkenmugsy, Jan 19, 2016.
Verified purchase, product received as described.
Price update to 21.93 DECRED/oz - get them while they last.
5 more 1oz bars going out the door!
**BUMP** Still have some of these available. Will do multiple bars to one trader.
Are you still selling at the launch price, or are you going for the current exchange rate now?
I am open to offers. PM me.
Okay, I changed my mind (thanks @drunkenmugsy for infecting me!) and became kind of a gold/silver bug (*) too. Since he didn't want to sell me any (I am kind of in USA too, however not continental but overseas occupied territory sort of) I had to source it somewhere else.
Sold some crypto and diversified into a few 2016 Silver Maple Leafs.
Since silver and gold belong together...
For those interested: You can buy gold and silver anonymously in Europe by finding a trusted certified dealer that sells also in person. Up to a value of 15k EUR he won't ask you for any legal document. If you buy for more, as I did, you just take a second person with you and split. He will not ask for your name or your address and the invoice he gives you and which his book-keeper and therefore the tax authorities get will be without your name or address.
Of course you buy the gold and silver with clean funds, right. But you don't want the tax authorities to have a document that shows you own significant amounts of precious metal, since it was now already several times on the news that certain burglar gangs have their informers in the tax authorities so they know in which houses to break into to make the most loot. And even if that won't happen, the evil state will come after your gold once their and every other ponzi fiat currency on this planet hyperinflates and becomes toilet paper. And it will hyperinflate. Not in a distant future but rather very soon. Gold/silver and digital gold/silver - real money, real stores of value!
(*) I like gold/silver bugs, but most of them totally miss one thing. The future is digital. While they are prepared for the collapse of the USD system and with it the inevitable collapse of all fiat currencies based on the USD (today's monetary system!) , most of them are totally ignorant to the fact that the future is digital and it requires digital gold and silver.
Get a dinghy. Take your PMs for a little cruise around the bay. You never know what might happen. Lots of things get lost at sea. What can you do? Accidents happen Mr. Taxman.
My dog has found a few tubes of silver laying around the house. I think he buried quite a few. They do look kinda like bones. I shook my finger in his face and said bad doggy! What can you do?
I'm interested in purchasing a single (or multiple) silver bullion as advertised. I'd like to do this for a multitude of reasons, namely supporting the community by validating user sales, and of course I'm especially interested in the exchange of precious metals for my precious crypto. I don't care about escrow - in all honesty your reputation is enough to be on the line for me, I don't mind the expenditure, the risk/reward value seems fair. Do you have silver bullion currently available? If so please contact me so we may negotiate a price. I'd like to start with a small transaction on good faith and see how that goes. If it goes awry you can rest assured I will be posting right away right here. That's escrow enough lol.
Please get back to me ASAP, thanks.
JFC - those pictures are going to make the dude who was relying on the Airdrop to lose his goddamn mind.
He kind of did already.
Escrow doesn't just protect you. It also protects the seller. What if you recieve the package but you have ill intentions and you claim you never recieved it? Or what if @drunkenmugsy had ill intentions and claimed he shipped, but he never did? I doubt either case would happen, but an escrow would be able to offset the 1-on-1 war that would follow such a situation.
I hope I didn't cause any confusion. I just wanted to show that even though I was not very much interested in silver (or gold) when @drunkenmugsy started this topic, I ended up buying some (something like 500 coins of siver and 10 coins of gold) after doing some research on the topic.
I don't see precious metals as a speculative investment. People who trade certificates (gold and silver that doesn't exist!) do that. I see it as a hedge against the worst case, the total collapse of the world's current monetary system, eventually paired with a disruption of the Internet due to war.
If the latter (disruption of Internet) won't happen, I am sure cryptomoney will become the new monetary system, because after a massive world-wide hyperinflation (and that's the only way they can get rid of the trillions of debt) nobody would trust fiat (government ponzi "money") anymore for a long time. If the latter (disruption of Internet) will happen, then there is only gold/silver that will be money, as it was in ancient times.
I see gold/silver as an offline type of Bitcoin and its flavors (like Decred). I think every cryptomoney holder should also own some physical gold and silver. Satoshi certainly did.
Yes, every gold/silber bug should also own some crypto. But due to the demographics of that particular group we know that this isn't going to happen as fast as the other way round.
By the way, the coins you see on the photos, on my hand and in the tubes and masterbox, are worth (in fiat) much less than some might think. It is just 20k EUR worth of gold and silver. 20k EUR for 10oz (311g) of finest gold and 500oz (15.55kg) of finest silver.
This means that all those tens of thousands of cars you see on any day on a highway, each one of them is worth on average something like 30oz or 1kg of finest gold. Crazy, right? Just shows what overpriced crap our world is full of. And it shows how little value gold (and silver) have in today's world that is addicted to ponzi "money" and debt. Once the debt drug trip is over and the monetary USD/fiat system will collape (it's long overdue), precious metals will show their true value, again.
The current price of physical gold and silver is not determined by the physical sales of these metals, but by trading of so called paper gold/silver, certificates (printed paper at best). They trade 100 times more paper gold/silver than there is physical one available but each of those certificates guarantee you physical gold/silver (yes, a joke). At the same time the banks and the central banks manipulate (via certificates and other means) gold/silver prices to stay low. Since both are a threat to their fiat scam "money".
That's bad for the producers, but good for those who want to buy and get in. I did. And so should you. Therefore thanks to @drunkenmugsy for starting this thread.
For the interested:
As I mentioned in another thread (I think I also posted a photo), the 20k was made by trading DCR vs. BTC within less than two months, with very little DCR (and EUR) invested initially. The coin is not hugely volatile, but enough to make a ton of profit. It's a free market and totally fair. Nobody is forcing anyone to sell at 0.002 or 0.003 or 0.004 BTC. Some people say this is speculating against DCR because when you sell at 0.005 you push price down. That's of course absurd. Because when you buy at 0.003 you push it up. So you basically help to smooth the price, which is in fact good for adoption.
Yes, I do some PoW mining too but that is just peanuts and totally altruistic since profitability is low for PoW.
My advice is rather: buy DCR cheap, sell high (who would have thought...) and buy some gold and even more silver. Stack it high!
Yes that is a nice little starting stack. Get more. Get all you can. I think silver is the most useful right now as it has the most potential and is the most easily traded. I have acquired a little more than double that in silver in the last year.
Ninja is giving good advice. Take heed those who can...
zerohedge rocks even if they are a little pessimistic, well ok a lot pessimistic.
@LastNinja - 1% consulting fee. I will send you my address. hehe
Yep. I totaly agree with both. @drunkenmugsy just not forget that in old Europe we must add 22% VAT (in my case) to silver, when gold is VAT free. Also gap between buying and selling price for silver is here crazy 40% up. Gold is more reasonable few%.
Big precious metal dealers in Europe sell those 2016 Silver Maple Leafs for appr. 20% over spot price. Yes, in the EU there is VAT on silver (fucking state mafia). Dealers use differential taxing but still you'll pay appr. 20% over spot price.
Remember that spot prices are made by trading non-existing gold and silver (ETFs, ETCs) and the market is rigged since long time (JPMorgan in case of silver). So it is hard to find anyone who would sell you the physical metal for the spot price, even if there wasn't VAT. Once the ETF/ETC ponzi starts to collapse and 99 out of 100 "owners" notice that they do not own physical gold but only worthless promises, it will be impossible to buy the physical gold/silver at all, no matter how much over spot you're willing to pay.
Anyway, it doesn't matter how much gold/silver are worth in fiat. It's like asking how much they are worth in hot air. Both have and keep their purchasing power over millennia and even more so when all other things fail.
Their current price in fiat is only important for one thing: To know how much you can buy.more.
Pay only for the precious metal. Forget collectibles. And do not store it in a safe deposit box at the bank where only the bank has the key to the main door. Store it at home. What you store in the bank is physically owned by the bank, not by you. Like with crypto, private keys and exchanges. When the state goes rogue the banks will be ordered to confiscate all the gold/silver in the deposit boxes.
Numismatic value is for speculators. If you want something of value that will retain that value regardless then just get bullion as cheap as you can get it. JMBullion has some good sales and they take bitcoin! Provident Metals is also good. Those are the only two I use currently.