I Lost My Wallet Xd

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  1. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    Hi.
    I imported my wallet from the seed into the online Decred wallet and for some reason it isn't the same one as the address I have in my signature, which is the one I used for the airdrop. Can I get the airdrop sent to DsRSnACQk773C5Bzk6kyxkAk2UQ19WJwD8e instead? Sorry ;(
    Thanks!
     
  2. LastNinja

    LastNinja Full Member

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    Nobody but you can access (spend) those coins. With cryptomoney you are your own bank. There is no intermediary who can "reset your password" (after asking you for the name of your pet). As long as you have your seed for the airdrop wallet/address your coins are fine.

    Try the CLI wallet.

    BTW, have you done it exactly like this?
    https://forum.decred.org/threads/how-to-run-this-on-windows-and-import-premine.636/#post-9414

    First line is important.
     
  3. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    Yes I did it like that, the problem is I lost my wallet seed completely...
     
  4. LastNinja

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    #4 LastNinja, Feb 13, 2016
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    So you don't have the seed at all? The one given to you when you created your airdrop address.

    That is equivalent to having lost access to the coins. Your airdop coins were sent to an address for which you have lost the keys. The coins are therefore lost for you and for anyone else. They will sit in that address forever and all you can do is look at them.

    Unless you still manage to find your seed.

    In general, how is it possible that so many people have lost their seeds? I mean, when someone gives you 500 bucks, you take care of them and don't lose them in the next moment. Is it so easy to lose a piece of paper that is equivalent (actually better) than fiat cash? Or did some people just make a photo with the mobile phone? I would never ever trust the access credentials for my money to a flash memory in a mobile phone. Put it on paper and on at least three copies in different places. I mean, that paper will be readable even in 100 years. The SDHC card certainly not.

    To get 282 coins from mining you would have to spend thousands of USD on equipment and electricity. Just to show what a generous offer the airdrop was, giving out 282 coins basically for nothing.

    EDIT: Did you save at least the HEX value given to you when you created the airdrop address?

    EDIT: After reading now many of these "seed lost" messages in the past few days, I have to think that the airdrop campaign was the biggest annihilation of DCR coins we will ever have witnessed. Let's see how many airdrop addresses will remain "unspent" forever. I mean not that the market would care. It just makes all other coins more valuable. But imagine you lost your seed and will look back at your unspendable address balance in 5 years from now when DCR will be at 500 USD per coin.
     
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  5. DarkMatter

    DarkMatter New Member

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    No need to be sad about some seeds you accidentally lost, you will still be remembered in crypto history as DCR's "pizza guys". Glory is more than magic internet money, right? ;)
     
  6. ClokworkGremlin

    ClokworkGremlin Sr. Member

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    Whatever I want.
    At least some of them seem to have English as a secondary language when they have any grasp of it at all (the guy who is obviously relying on translation software that's translating him saying "I didn't save my seed" to "I don't have to save my seed"), so they likely weren't able to read the warnings adequately... though perhaps if you're dealing with a financial situation in a language you aren't familiar with, you should have someone who's bilinqual help you out?

    Then there are the people who follow our generation's habit of not reading instructions because it takes too long. Which is pretty irresponsible when you're dealing with $140 or more. Finally there will be the people who just don't understand how digital encryption systems work. I can have some sympathy for them, but at the same time, if I'm working with something I don't understand, and someone has provided explicit instructions for how to handle it, I'm following those instructions to the letter.
     
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  7. Lee Sharp

    Lee Sharp Sr. Member

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    These locked coins were one of the things I was worried about. I was hoping there would be some kind of test to make sure the coins were only sent to active wallets. Not sure how that could have been done, however.
     
  8. ClokworkGremlin

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    Whatever I want.
    That... actually wouldn't have been too hard. Similar to how a couple of other Altcoins handle Proof Of Stake, except with the wallet address instead of an existing balance. Have to have your wallet logged in for at least 1 block to receive your Airdrop.

    That still basically burns the airdrop coins for lost addresses, though.
     
  9. LastNinja

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    Probably the best way to look at it is to not see the failures but the successes. It is inevitable that some people ignore how things work and then lose their coins, because it is human nature. More important is that hopefully many more spent some time and learned a thing and now do know how cryptomoney works.

    Sorry for the TO that this won't help you particularly. At least it didn't cost you anything. It is probably much more depressing for the devs who spent so much time on it and then had to watch how a few thousand coins got sent into black holes.

    The still very young and expanding Decred universe already has black holes in abundance! :p
     
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  10. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    The only wallet seed I ever got isn't the address I used, so is there an unofficial airdrop somewhere else?
     
  11. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    NVM I found it!!!
     
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  12. LastNinja

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    Congrats.
     
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    #14 LastNinja, Feb 14, 2016
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    Feels better than yesterday, isn't it? :)

    Google deterministic wallet and you will see why the seed is so important. And believe me, we can be happy that this thing exists. Who wants to go back to non-deterministic wallets which you have to backup on a different medium basically after each and every address you create, to not lose the private keys in case of a HDD failure.

    With deterministic wallets all you have to write down and store safely it the seed. It can't be more easy than that, while remaining absolutely secure.

    EDIT: GTFY: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Deterministic_wallet
     
  15. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    What should I do with the key saved on my computer to encrypt it?
     
  16. LastNinja

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    #16 LastNinja, Feb 14, 2016
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    Use truecrypt or any other audited tool. But in case of a HDD failure your data will be gone anyway unless you have a backup on external media (can be encrypted as well). Additionally at least one copy of the seed should be kept on paper.

    Since nobody can access your paper copy over the Internet, there is no need to encrypt it. You could do so however with a paper copy too by using something as simple as ROT13. That's good enough for any curious member of the closer circle who might see the paper.
     
  17. colt05

    colt05 New Member

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    I used VeraCrypt instead of truecrypt and also put it on a piece of paper. That should be good enough, right? :)
     
  18. LastNinja

    LastNinja Full Member

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    Probably yes.
     
  19. livialivia

    livialivia New Member

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    Probably you need a tool Password Manager to give you a more stronger password and remember it instead of yourself since the seed is so important.I am so happy that it works so well and have variaties of functions like photos and files recovery.
     

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